Re: Fwd: PilotManager

[Jon Bowman <jonb@Central>]

In reply to Bharat and Alan I don't think we give these guys the credit they

deserve has anyone actually looked at the code and how many conduits
actually
work with PilotManager. I for one love it, I've been using it since the
early beta
days and even then it was a whole lot better than doing a pilot-xfer every
day.
I just keep uptodate with the latest versions and upgrade my OS often
running
beta versions of Solaris and the whole thing works very well together with
very
few problems.

If you have ever tried some of the other s/w on the net you would appreciate

the effort these two have put in, next time you feel like writing nasty
grams
don't if you think you can do  better then go write a version yourself and
we'll
see you in a year when you have something that probably doesn't work as
well as PilotManager !

Jon

Bharat Mediratta wrote:

> Hoo boy.
>
> Well, there's an adage for these situations and it goes
> something like this:  "You get what you pay for".
>
> The fact that PilotManager is where it is now is a tribute
> to the serious amount of time and effort that I, Alan Harder,
> and a host of other people have expended.  The fact that it
> works at all is because we have sweated the small stuff.
> I laugh when you say "wasted 1 hour trying to make it work".
> Any idea how many hours we "wasted" on this?  Did you send
> feedback?  Alan and I made an effort to answer every single
> question that people asked about PilotManager.  We will help
> you to get it running expending our own valuable time.
>
> I love the emails that I (we) get which simply say "It doesn't
> work".  What are we, mind readers?  We're going to divine what
> operating system you're using, extrapolate the bug report and
> then fix it blindly and mail you a patch?  Work with us and
> we'll work with you.  This stuff doesn't write itself and we
> don't have time to make it perfect.  Unhappy about the
> documentation?  Offer to help rewrite them.  Don't look at it
> and say "it sucks, I want more" look at it and say "it needs
> work, how can I help?"
>
> -Bharat
>
> P.S.    Again, I reiterate: do NOT use v1.009-BETA-4.  You will
>         regret it.  Alan, you should probably yank it from the site.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Klaus Bergius - SunSoft Germany - Munich
> > [mailto:Klaus.Bergius@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 12:04 AM
> > To: pilotmgr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Alan.Harder@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: PilotManager
> >
> >
> > > From: Peter.Jodda@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > In contrast to your normal mail I must say the Pilotmanager
> > is a mess.
> > > It does not work at all.
> > > I downloaded the package. The call of PilotManager leads to
> > > a 'perl can not find .....' .
> > > This is not user friendly.
> > > I have the latest versions of perl and Tk installed, but
> > this does not
> > > help.
> > > Your Readmes are a joke.
> >
> > Sorry to say, but the guy is quite right actually.
> > Bharat yesterday wrote something about
> > 'ow, where did you get this old version' to somebody
> > who was using 1.009-beta4. Actually I'm using it
> > as well and you can get it from the same place where you
> > copy the latest version, just a couple of lines below
> > in the 'unsupported' section.
> >
> > So I got the latest packages and found that they don't
> > work with the Sun ENS provided /usr/dist/exe/perl.
> > I copied perl from perl.org as pointed out on the page.
> > Compiled it, installed and tried perl -V:bincompat3, as
> > suggested in some Readme. The option is not known to perl.
> >
> > So here I am, wasted Disk space for some perl
> > stuff that I don't need normally and more important wasted
> > 1 hour trying to make it work, but it still doesn't.
> >
> > Needless to say I'm still using the old 1.009-beta, because
> > it simply installs and works and you can work with it after a
> > couple of minutes.
> >
> > The guy is right, the stuff is absolutely not user friendly.
> >
> > -Regards,
> >       Klaus
> >
> >
> >
> > > In contrast to your normal mail I must say the Pilotmanager
> > is a mess.
> > > It does not work at all.
> > > I downloaded the package. The call of PilotManager leads to
> > > a 'perl can not find .....' .
> > > This is not user friendly.
> > > I have the latest versions of perl and Tk installed, but
> > this does not
> > > help.
> > > Your Readmes are a joke.
> > >
> > > Why couldn't you write in C, which is easy to compile and debug?
> > >
> > > Is anywhere a description about the Hotsync-process and the
> > dataformat.
> > > Then I can write a C-program.
> > >
> > > The not happy
> > > Peter Jodda
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- End Included Message -----
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> >       Klaus
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